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Poster: Jimmy Pitt Date: May 9, 2007 11:13am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

You completely miss the point. Of course many books have been defaced -- it's sad, but there's nothing one can do about it. But Microsoft (and others -- I have no axe to grind with MS as such) DO have a choice not to deface books further. Sadly, they (and you) prefer advertising to preservation: many of the texts that MS have digitised are completely ruined by watermarks across the text, footnotes, images, maps . . .

I'm sure nobody minds seeing Microsoft get credit for the work they are doing, but please don't be so naive as to think that they are being altruistic: if they were, they wouldn't need to deface every page of every book, like some mindless vandal with a felt-tip pen.

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Poster: csb99 Date: May 15, 2007 6:13am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks


A response , particularly to gabe@archive.org . I am not in the slightest concerned with what the watermark says . If it said "scanned for archive.org " I would find it no less unpleasant . If the point of a text is just to " absorb the knowledge of a given text " then a watermark is insignificant : if the point is the appearance of the text , like the scan of the 1485 Jenson De Citivate Dei , it is defacement . This book is only of interest for its appearance : if someone really intended to read it doubtless there are better scholarly texts or translations much easier to read . If someone underlined or used a highlighter on that I would think it criminal . "Ohhh by the by......there's a reason the watermark is there and it's so that these materials can be kept open and free " . Most books here do not have this watermark , Microsoft has sponsored scanning for over a year without implementing this policy : you are saying then , all books scanned after the middle of April 2007 and sponsored by Microsoft have to have a watermark to be open and free . I really would like this to be explained . The reasoning behind this one is perfectly opaque to me .

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Poster: benjclark Date: Jul 19, 2007 9:15am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

Fine, we have to put up with MS's commercial inthe margins. However, there should be a process to remove them, especially in the case where the watermark interferes with text, footnotes, images, etc.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jul 19, 2007 2:41pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

I believe the PDF was made using commercial software http://www.luratech.com/ which supports multiple layers.

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"LuraDocument JPM is the world’s first implementation of the new ISO standard JPEG2000/Part6 for the compression of scanned color documents containing both bitonal elements (such as text and technical drawings) and images. Text and image components are segmented and compressed separately, each with the optimal algorithms. In the process, the bitonal layer is stored losslessly in Fax Group 4 format,while the fore- and background layers are compressed using the JPEG2000 standard."

There may be more information from this vendor about how to remove the microsoft watermark layer. We need a PDF guru with access to tools to figure this out.

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